Neurontin / Gabapentin questions

So I saw my rheumy this afternoon. I'm having a lot of sort of muscle pain (but doesn't feel like enthesitis) in my entire neck / shoulder, and lower hip area. Lots of pain triggered by touch. My doc says it's fibro pain, and asked if I wanted to try neurontin / gabapentin. He says it won't interact with any of my other drugs. I'm currently in a lot of pain, and taking too much Tylenol-3, and I'm trying not to take Percocet (I get headaches when I go off it).

I'm concerned because after looking it up I see it is similar to Lyrica. I took Lyrica for awhile a few yrs ago, and it helped about 25% but made me disoriented / dizzy / sort of out of it. My doc said to take the neurontin / gabapentin at night and it will help the next day.

I'm worried about adding another med to my mix (Celexa, Nexium, Enbrel 50mg 2x/week, Arava, Tylenol-3, generic Zyrtec). I'm starting to feel like a need a suitcase to haul my meds with me.

Any advice for me on this new med? Would I know right away if it works or doesn't (ie, should I just fill a few pills of the prescription), or ?

plain old ibuprofen works best for most people!!! You know your doctor can prescribe it in higher dosages...just eat before taking it. I was on just it for years and worked. BUT ...like you said no drug is going to get rid of all your pain....and I kind of think if you in moderate to severe pain that is true...if it is mild than of course possible to stop all pain.But i put old Motrin even up against hydrocodone (Vicodin) and bet blind test Motrin works best for least amount. You just don't get the 'high' where you do not care if hurt.

As to drugs, the one doctor wants to put you on...really makes me sad. I thought only wacko lazy psychiatrists were over prescribing it but now sadly other doctors are as well. Any drug that causes addiction makes me nervous. When i was reading about opioid pain drugs one thing i found extremely interesting is if one is using them to treat moderate to severe pain and you have no addiction history, they found in studies that people did not become addicted to them.

neurontin/gabapentin (manufacturer name and generic name so same drug) in my experience that take them for anything other than seizures...and i only person i knew who had seizures and was on this drug...they did not give it to her for seizure but more as pain drug for nerve pain....is it just really messes people up. They just get too drugged up on it. Looked like zombies.

I also glad about new study coming out about sleeping pills....and how women should be given half dosage of me yet instead since they put people on them longer than the two weeks drug manufacturer recommends...mix sleeping pill with neurontin and you have zombie patient who than thinks fibro, lupus or what ever name they say their brain fog is from is actually their body screaming at them they are being over drugged.

Once i got off all extra drugs, but pain patch, plaquenil and ant acid for my stomach....only time i get brain fog is from lack of sleep which does happen but eventually i get so tired i do sleep.

I tried lyrica and sevella for my fibro pain and made me vomit so bad that even now i am afraid to take plaquenil which i took for over 20 years with no incident. But mix it with those drugs ...up it comes. I have tried lyrica just because i would think it would be easier on my body than my pain patch....but just plays havoc and makes one dizzy at times..other times i can take it and nothing...but only helped very little with pain so just not worth it.

But neruontin i think people should stay away from it completely unless you have seizures....than maybe it will help. other wise....it only gives people that fog feeling they are blaming on disease when it is coming from that drug and often over drugged.

sorry i just saw too many people given it and turned into zombies...and after being on it myself...my brain has not ever been the same....so i wonder if it damages your brain some how...and others have said same thing.

Cymblata is another one that doctors get kick back for how many they prescribe so it over prescribed...someone has to pay for those ads about how depression hurts. Which so far very few people even on support sites say it really helps but to get off it...going to take on average at least 6 months and took me a year due to really bad brain zaps it hits you with if you miss dose or are tying to lower it.

Since you are on percocet ..that should get rid of most of the pain. If not than instead of adding got to pain specialist or back to yours and try other pain drugs till you find one that does help with most pain you have. Yes you will have some but compared to what you experience with out any it should help a great deal.

I hope my opinion helps and by all means still feel free to try it just tell your family to let you know that if you are forgetting things, looking into space like zombie, or just acting like one..or some one over drugged to let you know so you can stop it and make them promise to be honest...not worry about hurting you feelings. i wish the best for you ...and sorry that i really hate that drug...i just saw it wreck too many people and their doctors looked other way...including myself.

I currently taking gabapentin. I was worried too…I take 4 pills at night. Then three in morning. Take it slow. Start with night low dose…then work your way up. It make me sleepy at first. But my body adjusted. It helps with pain. But of course nothing takes it away. Good luck.

I’ve had fibro for 17 yrs, tried a lot of meds, all bad side affects. What I feel has helped me is flexeril, it’s a muscle relaxer. Taken at low doses, no side effects, helps with pain & sleep. Look it up online, there’s a few articles & studies on it out there. I just recently started taking tramadol for pain, 3x’s a day. Which also helps my fatigue. My methotrexate finally started kicking in to relieve my joint pain and psoriasis. I tried multiple meds and these two are the only ones that I take with no side effects. Hope this helps! :slight_smile:

I've been on Humira and MTX for quite awhile now. What was happening with me is that my shoulders and neck were still staying stiff. My MTX dose was upped to 10 tabs a week and that has helped tremendously! I take Humira once every 10 days and I went out to 11 days the last dose because I felt so much better on the higher dose of MTX. I also take Lyrica for the nerve pain. I started out very slowly and now take 150mg twice a day and I have no side effects. It relieves the nerve pain and makes me feel better in general. This combination is working for me now.

I was on Neurontin about 3 years ago when the first Rheumy thought I had fibro. I took it at night with trazadone to help me sleep. It did help me sleep but took none of the pain away. (That's when the Rheumy figured out it was not fibro.) Once in awhile I take Flexeril at night but haven't had to take it lately. That one really knocks me out and I can't take it during the daytime.

Watch for rectal bleeding.This drug killed a nurse friend of mine in 2000. She told me it was causing her intestinal bleeding the day before she passed.

Taking the Nsaids regularly can damage the kidneys. The Manufaturers of Vicodin have even lowered the dose of tylenol in the compound recently because of this. The pain you descibe is my pain . Overdoing it the day before, I always wake up this way.

On those days I take one low dose hydrocodone.the pain demishes and I try to take it easy, by the next day I am able to deal okay with the milder pain. Hey, they opened me up fopr a THR and the surgeon said I was full of atrthritis and cartlage debris.Every joint is affected. Personally I choose NOT to take all the newer drugs ,joint destruction or not.Arthritis is autoimmune.Autoimmune means caused by inflammation. This video explains why there is SO MUCH inflammation going on now.

Allergies Asthma etc.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv96D_ZURzs

Get off ALL GMO products as they have in their DNA componants not recognized by the body and an immune response causing inflammation ensues.The BT added to the seeds DNA causes the insects intestines to erupt and in humans it causes the death of good flora which allows the body to absorb what it needs from food being digested. The BT in the GMO grains cause the cells in human intestinal tract to not work as efficiently thus ,we are getting elements we do not want from ingestion of these products dumped into our blood streams. IBS is just one catch all of what Docs are seeing a huge > in.

I’ve taken Gabapentin at night for many years and the best thing about it for me is it helps me to be able to sleep through the night. I cannot go above 300 mg 1x/day because any higher makes me too sleepy, even the next day. A neurologist tried to increase my dose recently because I was having a lot of numbness and tingling due to nerve compression, but I couldn’t take the sleepiness. Everyone is different, though, and I think you should add it to the arsenal! It’s discouraging to keep adding meds, I know, but it’s just necessary sometimes. Whenever I get frustrated about having to add another medication, I stop and thank God that I live in an age when these meds are available. If we’d had this condition 50 years ago, we wouldn’t have had all these drugs to help us!
As a side note, please be aware that Tylenol 3 and Percocet are very similar drugs. They both have Tylenol plus an opioid/narcotic (Tylenol #3 has codeine and Percocet has oxycodone). You really should not be on both at the same time. Please make sure your doc is aware of how much you are taking so that you don’t overdose. A lot of your drugs are also hard on the liver so make sure you liver enzymes are being monitored.

I take gabapentin 300 mg at bedtime. I also take methotrexate, humira and recently had to go off naproxen because of intestinal issues.
The gabapentin is helpful for nerve pain and does help me sleep. I had sciatic pain and tight tendons on the back of my thighs. That has improved. I also have less wrist and elbow nerve compression.
The gabapentin has also seemed to improve my painful bladder (interstitial cystitis).
Give it a try.

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the diversity of viewpoints on this med! I appreciate everyone who took the time to write out such detailed replies. Just want to clear up that I am not taking Tylenol-3 and Percocet at the same time...I take mostly Tylenol-3, but when the pain gets severe I take a percocet. To the person who suggested ibuprofen: I was on it for 20 yrs in very high doses (and it really helped) until I had an internal bleed and almost bled to death. Hence, I have to take NSAID's very cautiously and rarely.

The pain my rheumy says is from fibro is really not that bad, more of a feeling that I've been shovelling snow all day the day before. If I put pressue on those areas of my shoulders the muscles and skin scream, but as long as I don't it's a dull ache. I don't really feel like I need another med at this time, because it is the PsA pain (hands, feet, etc) that is the worst, by far, not what he says is fibro.

To the person who suggested muscle relaxants: I used to take zanaflex before bed, and I think I need to go back to trying that before I take on the neurontin / gabapentin. I just found the zanaflex hard to get off of when I didn't need it anymore (my muscles would twitch before bed so I couldn't sleep), but I think it would be a good first step. Thank you for reminding me about muscle relaxants. It's something in my arsenal I already have tried, but forgot about.

To the person whose friend died from gabapentin / neurontin: I'm so very very sorry.

With all the info I have now, I think I can make a better choice. I will try the muscle relaxant at night, again, and keep the neurontin / gabapentin in the back of my mind as another choice I can make if I feel the time is right.

Thanks again everyone! I'd be lost without this group and the wisdom / sounding board it provides.

You need to have a long talk with your doctor an a very good PHARMACIST. There are some things there dosen't make sense (to me) I can't imagine why you would be on 2 different anti depresants. If I were to guess whats going on I would think he forgot to discontinue some meds along the way (he may have a very good reason too)

SOMETIMES with chronic pain issues we just need a med holiday and a reboot. The subtle changes with the new stuff from lyrica may make it okay. I lost track of how many NSAIDS I tried before I got the right one.

I am only on one antidepressant (Celexa).

Correct why I read Zyrtec as Zoloft is beyond me. Sorry.

Marietta said:

I am only on one antidepressant (Celexa).

I have an NSAID cemetery in my medicine cabinet. Fills the entire top shelf. I keep forgetting to take them to work to dispose of them!

Last time I saw my r-tologist, I told him I was done taking all the new junk on the market he kept throwing at me as not only were the side effects nasty, due to heart disease, having two stents in place and taking numerous meds for that condition, my cardio nixed most of them anyway. If you listen to the commercials, the vast majority say, very specifically that if you have a heart condition, these drugs may not be "right" for you. I also told him I was not going back on the biologics, even though the side effects were not bad, the deal breaker, FOR ME, is that the LONG TERM effects aren't well known.

I told him I wanted to try an opoid pain med and after a bit of verbal sparring, I was given a script for Vicodin. But, he also said he wanted me to take gabapentin with it. When I discussed this with my very well trusted pharmacist, he was a bit confused as to why he'd put me on the gaba with it's plethora of side effects and was a med most often prescribed to people with fibro type pain, which I do NOT have.

I did NOT fill that script and the next day I called my doc back and told him why. Thinking he's put up a fight I was surprised when he simply said "Well, OK." HUH?

The Vicodin of course does not take away all the pain nor does it do crap-all for my lack of ROM, but it is enough to take the horrid edge off and aside from feeling a wee bit goofy for about 10 miutes the first few times I took it, I no longer get that feeling at all. What I know is that I take it when the pain becomes unbearable and 1/2 hour later it's bearable. On a good day, I don't take it at all or if the pain is around a 5, I'll take some Advil and that gets me by.

I don't worry about becoming an addict. I'm 62 and if I was going to mess about with drugs, I would have stayed back in the 60's. For me, when I read about the long term effects of taking an opioid versus just about anything else out there, hands down I will stick with the Vicodin.

I lived with this pain for nearly 40 years with absolutely no help or relief from the doctors, I want some help now, but I also do not want all the really negative POSSIBILITES that come along with most of their snake oils.

Wow..........I know I sound like one very old and cranky crone, but I'm trying to get my meds down to the absolute bare minimum. I finally got off that horrid Zoloft they put me because "arthritis can cause depression." Maybe so, but for any of us who have been around the block a few times, we know that LIFE can be depressing. Does that mean we should all run out and get yet another pill to pop so we don't have to deal with any of the unpleasantness that comes from living?

I am not opposed to any of you taking any and all the medications you want to feel better and I wish you the very best results. This rant is just about ME.

Sorry if I threw a spanner into this thread. I cleaned the chicken coop today and I think I over did it. Pain holding at a steady 9.7

Glass of wine and the heating pad or a Vicodin????? I'm going for the wine! :)

Good night, all

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AMEN Greenlydia!

I am a 62 yr old nurse recently retired from Hospice. i had to read and keep up with all the peer reviewed Continuing Eds on pain studies. People who are responsibly taking narcotics for REAL chronic pain do not become addicts.Vicodin does not vreate the loppy high that I have been reading about here when taken as prescribed .Depression is a fact of life because for those woth PaS or any advanced arthritic condition do have real pain which causes depression. Sometimes i get so frustrated with not being able to open jars and bottles when cooking I even cry!

They castick the new ssri antidepressants in the ground. my Dr put me on Paxil for perimenopause years ago. I felt numb for three months which was good because the real pain of the underlying arthritis was getting me down. Then after gaining thirty pounds i tried to wean off. What a nightmare! I learned that people were being precibed pediatric doses in liquid form because it was so damn difficult to withdraw, which btw Big Pharma cleverly labeled "Discontinuance Syndrome" instead of Withdrawal symptoms. Yes the dizziness and the whoosh sound in the head when weaning off has a name too,"Brain Shocks". Depression and clinical depression blend into one real fact of daily life with ageing and the diseases that come with it.

I am also 62 and have been around the block in the medical profession .We have a saying amongst honest Physicians and Nurses.......Don't take any new drugs only those that have been in use in the hospitals for over thirteen years and have proven facts about the long term side effects.

I'm with you about hydrocodone use only when needed for serious pain flares. Avoid inflammatory foods in nutrition and take supplements with a history for use against inflammation.I also advocate deep water pool exercises and try to limit sugar and cut out all GMO grain, produce and processed foods.

Having seen little or no progess with clients who were on expensive mixes of the newer drugs I have decided to take this route rather than what i see as the soft euthanizing cocktail combos that drain my wallet and fatten the Pharmaceutical CEO"s and the Drs willing to prescribe the benefits........theirs not mine.

When the FDA hired the former lawyer CEO of Monsanto to be our Food and Drug Czar is when I realized something was really amiss and corporate interests outweighed individual human health interests.BTW on the THR ( total hip replacement forums) peopla were still complaing about 'brain shocks' for years after eliminating the intake of the ssri antidepressants.

This is just my opinion and the opinion of other health professional I know . Everyone must make decisions for themselves in this brave new world.But I do applaud you for speaking out on your own seasoned experiences .Of course those on disability and those who work for pharmaceutical interests that get on these boards may have other agendas. As i understand it regular visits to a Physician along with his prescribe insurance approved protocols are required proof for disability benefits.



greenlydia said:

Last time I saw my r-tologist, I told him I was done taking all the new junk on the market he kept throwing at me as not only were the side effects nasty, due to heart disease, having two stents in place and taking numerous meds for that condition, my cardio nixed most of them anyway. If you listen to the commercials, the vast majority say, very specifically that if you have a heart condition, these drugs may not be "right" for you. I also told him I was not going back on the biologics, even though the side effects were not bad, the deal breaker, FOR ME, is that the LONG TERM effects aren't well known.

I told him I wanted to try an opoid pain med and after a bit of verbal sparring, I was given a script for Vicodin. But, he also said he wanted me to take gabapentin with it. When I discussed this with my very well trusted pharmacist, he was a bit confused as to why he'd put me on the gaba with it's plethora of side effects and was a med most often prescribed to people with fibro type pain, which I do NOT have.

I did NOT fill that script and the next day I called my doc back and told him why. Thinking he's put up a fight I was surprised when he simply said "Well, OK." HUH?

The Vicodin of course does not take away all the pain nor does it do crap-all for my lack of ROM, but it is enough to take the horrid edge off and aside from feeling a wee bit goofy for about 10 miutes the first few times I took it, I no longer get that feeling at all. What I know is that I take it when the pain becomes unbearable and 1/2 hour later it's bearable. On a good day, I don't take it at all or if the pain is around a 5, I'll take some Advil and that gets me by.

I don't worry about becoming an addict. I'm 62 and if I was going to mess about with drugs, I would have stayed back in the 60's. For me, when I read about the long term effects of taking an opioid versus just about anything else out there, hands down I will stick with the Vicodin.

I lived with this pain for nearly 40 years with absolutely no help or relief from the doctors, I want some help now, but I also do not want all the really negative POSSIBILITES that come along with most of their snake oils.

Wow..........I know I sound like one very old and cranky crone, but I'm trying to get my meds down to the absolute bare minimum. I finally got off that horrid Zoloft they put me because "arthritis can cause depression." Maybe so, but for any of us who have been around the block a few times, we know that LIFE can be depressing. Does that mean we should all run out and get yet another pill to pop so we don't have to deal with any of the unpleasantness that comes from living?

I am not opposed to any of you taking any and all the medications you want to feel better and I wish you the very best results. This rant is just about ME.

Sorry if I threw a spanner into this thread. I cleaned the chicken coop today and I think I over did it. Pain holding at a steady 9.7

Glass of wine and the heating pad or a Vicodin????? I'm going for the wine! :)

Good night, all

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I was also given gabapentin recently to take at night. Not sure that it's helping other than making it easier to fall asleep while I'm taking steroids.

Hi GC,

I've read couple of your posts and you seem quite knowledgeable. I'm wondering how you manage your pain without an anti-inflammatory. I've taken naproxen and am currently taking celebrex. I've always taken misoprostol (cytotec) 10 minutes before as prescribed. I take 1mg hydromorphone when things get really bad..
GrumpyCat said:

I have an NSAID cemetery in my medicine cabinet. Fills the entire top shelf. I keep forgetting to take them to work to dispose of them!

Hello Marie

It's always a nice feeling to have someone validate your thinking. When I made my decision to stop taking all the new fangled crap my r-tologist was pushing on me and simply request a medication that would address MY biggest issue, which was pain, I had done my homework.

The first part of my homework had actually already been done. It consisted of YEARS of taking whatever he told me to take. The list of his recommended "fixes", as all of you know, was a long one. The side effects, the long term effects and the actual results/benefits varied from zero to unacceptably horrific.

When I DID eventually relent and try the Enbrel, I WAS amazed at how great I felt. I could do things I hadn't been able to do in years. I could walk up a flight of stairs like a normal person, I could play with my dogs on the floor and not have to crawl on hands and knees to the nearest piece of furniture to struggle to my feet. To be honest, I thought it was a miracle. I really believed I had my life back and the feeling was joyous. But about 6 month intro my use of the Enbrel, my labs began coming back with some distrubing findings. I'll spare all the lay people the exact results, but my liver was not doing well. I had also begun to experience a type of general all-over sense of not feeling well. It was nothing I could point at to the doctor and say "here is where it hurts." It was simply an unexplainable sense of KNOWING something was not right in my body and that soon morphed into an emotional feeling of unease. I realized everytime I injected myself, I had a sense of anxiety. I eventually pinpointed the trigger of that anxiety..........it was the injection. It was that epiphany which told me I needed to listen to my body and that was the last injection I ever took.

Over the next several weeks, I sat at my computer with my medical books, my notes from speaking with other PaS people, information I had received from doctors I work with at the hospital and most importantly, my own history, which was rather distubing because it read like "The Physician's Desk Reference!"

I began making a very old fashioned pro and con list. One side had every single med I had ever swallowed, had a doctor inject me with or injected myself.

The other side simply said "Narcotic."

When I had finished my little project, I was thunderstruck.

The side which contained all the new (and granted, not so new) pharmacological stew read like a chapter out of "War and Peace." Yes, there WERE things written in the "pro" columne, but what was written in the "con" colume literally took my breath away.

The side effects and POSSIBLE side effects were frightening. I realized that I had been prescribed some things that as someone with heart disease and two stents, I should NEVER have been put on. Warnings about lab results exactly like the lab results I had been getting should have raised big red flags, and yet, not a single one was EVER hoisted.

On the side listed "Narcotics," there were some warnings about not taking this medication and driving huge earth moving equipement, at least until you knew how it affected you. That it could cause tiredness. That some dizziness was expected when first adjusting to this medication.To use EXTREME caution if you drank alcohol as the effect could be intensified. And the worst possibility was that this medication COULD become habit forming.

When I held these two lists side by side, my decision was a no brainer.

Yes, I was VERY aware that a narcotic pain killer was NOT going to help my ROM one whit. It was NOT going to stop further joint damage. It would NOT do anything for the inflamation. It would NOT do a great many things. What it WOULD do is block the worst of the pain. And it would do that without destroying my liver, (and Lord knows what else) in the process. (And I am aware that virtually all meds are metabolized by the liver, so there WAS the inevitable warning to have your liver checked periodically) But you'll find that warning on your bottle of Advil as well.

As Marie stated so well, AS A PROFESSIONAL.........." People who are responsibly taking narcotics for REAL chronic pain do not become addicts. Vicodin does not create the loopy high when taken as prescribed."

As I said in my OP regarding the pain of PaS, I've lived with it for so long without the benefits of ANY kind of pain relief, with the exception of good old Bayer aspirin, I may be a bit too old school for many of you. Or you find my stance rather stupid in the face of all these new advances which promise so very much. You may wonder why I am not eager to take and/or inject something that may or MAY NOT, slow joint damage. (Do your own homework here rather than just buy into what they tell you on the TV commercial) The only defense I will offer is that at some point, we must all draw our own personal lines in the sand regarding the risks we are willing to take.

At this precise moment in time, I am content to be able to control the level of my pain. After 40+ years, my pain threshold is extremely high. A level that may send some people screaming to the ER will find me just reaching for my bottle of aspirin. The narcotics will be here when a flare knocks me on my ass, which they still do. I have absolutely no intention of taking them in any other situation.

I am only 62 and I do NOT see that as old by any stretch of the imagination. But it's old enough that I've seen younger people who have grown up with the belief that ANY pain is unacceptable and should be immediately banished by ANY means. Perhaps it DOES take a number of trips around the block to accept that life is NOT a pain free ride for anyone.

I do want to say again that these are just MY opinions and that I have absolutely no issues with what anybody else feels they need to do to handle their PaS. It is such a personal decision.

I would like to ask the above poster, Frances, if you have done any research on the gaba your doc has put you on? Do you understand the issues this medication is primarily meant to address? If you are dealing with the JOINT pain of PaS, Gabapentin is going to do virtually nothing for you.........although it seems to be helping you sleep better, I just don't see adding this powerful medication if you are not suffering from fibro type pain. There is NO mistaking the pain of PaS from the pain of fibro.

But...........MY opinion means squat. It's YOUR pain and it's YOUR line in the sand. I just don't want you to EVER be afraid to question anyone, and that includes all your learned doctors and specialists, about the drugs they want you to take.

Peace

Greenlydia

Greenlydia,

I'm a fan of narcotics. Less side effects, and they really help me. Unfortunately I build up a tolerance very quickly, so I have to cut back every other week then start up again. I also take a biologic, however. I can no longer take high doses of NSAID's, which helped quite a bit before biologics (I had an internal bleed). I am luckily that I have severe pain, swlling, the whole bit of systemic symptoms, but very little joint damage over 31 yrs of PsA. So I have the luxury of taking painkillers and not trying to stop progression of joint damage.



greenlydia said:

Hello Marie

It's always a nice feeling to have someone validate your thinking. When I made my decision to stop taking all the new fangled crap my r-tologist was pushing on me and simply request a medication that would address MY biggest issue, which was pain, I had done my homework.

The first part of my homework had actually already been done. It consisted of YEARS of taking whatever he told me to take. The list of his recommended "fixes", as all of you know, was a long one. The side effects, the long term effects and the actual results/benefits varied from zero to unacceptably horrific.

When I DID eventually relent and try the Enbrel, I WAS amazed at how great I felt. I could do things I hadn't been able to do in years. I could walk up a flight of stairs like a normal person, I could play with my dogs on the floor and not have to crawl on hands and knees to the nearest piece of furniture to struggle to my feet. To be honest, I thought it was a miracle. I really believed I had my life back and the feeling was joyous. But about 6 month intro my use of the Enbrel, my labs began coming back with some distrubing findings. I'll spare all the lay people the exact results, but my liver was not doing well. I had also begun to experience a type of general all-over sense of not feeling well. It was nothing I could point at to the doctor and say "here is where it hurts." It was simply an unexplainable sense of KNOWING something was not right in my body and that soon morphed into an emotional feeling of unease. I realized everytime I injected myself, I had a sense of anxiety. I eventually pinpointed the trigger of that anxiety..........it was the injection. It was that epiphany which told me I needed to listen to my body and that was the last injection I ever took.

Over the next several weeks, I sat at my computer with my medical books, my notes from speaking with other PaS people, information I had received from doctors I work with at the hospital and most importantly, my own history, which was rather distubing because it read like "The Physician's Desk Reference!"

I began making a very old fashioned pro and con list. One side had every single med I had ever swallowed, had a doctor inject me with or injected myself.

The other side simply said "Narcotic."

When I had finished my little project, I was thunderstruck.

The side which contained all the new (and granted, not so new) pharmacological stew read like a chapter out of "War and Peace." Yes, there WERE things written in the "pro" columne, but what was written in the "con" colume literally took my breath away.

The side effects and POSSIBLE side effects were frightening. I realized that I had been prescribed some things that as someone with heart disease and two stents, I should NEVER have been put on. Warnings about lab results exactly like the lab results I had been getting should have raised big red flags, and yet, not a single one was EVER hoisted.

On the side listed "Narcotics," there were some warnings about not taking this medication and driving huge earth moving equipement, at least until you knew how it affected you. That it could cause tiredness. That some dizziness was expected when first adjusting to this medication.To use EXTREME caution if you drank alcohol as the effect could be intensified. And the worst possibility was that this medication COULD become habit forming.

When I held these two lists side by side, my decision was a no brainer.

Yes, I was VERY aware that a narcotic pain killer was NOT going to help my ROM one whit. It was NOT going to stop further joint damage. It would NOT do anything for the inflamation. It would NOT do a great many things. What it WOULD do is block the worst of the pain. And it would do that without destroying my liver, (and Lord knows what else) in the process. (And I am aware that virtually all meds are metabolized by the liver, so there WAS the inevitable warning to have your liver checked periodically) But you'll find that warning on your bottle of Advil as well.

As Marie stated so well, AS A PROFESSIONAL.........." People who are responsibly taking narcotics for REAL chronic pain do not become addicts. Vicodin does not create the loopy high when taken as prescribed."

As I said in my OP regarding the pain of PaS, I've lived with it for so long without the benefits of ANY kind of pain relief, with the exception of good old Bayer aspirin, I may be a bit too old school for many of you. Or you find my stance rather stupid in the face of all these new advances which promise so very much. You may wonder why I am not eager to take and/or inject something that may or MAY NOT, slow joint damage. (Do your own homework here rather than just buy into what they tell you on the TV commercial) The only defense I will offer is that at some point, we must all draw our own personal lines in the sand regarding the risks we are willing to take.

At this precise moment in time, I am content to be able to control the level of my pain. After 40+ years, my pain threshold is extremely high. A level that may send some people screaming to the ER will find me just reaching for my bottle of aspirin. The narcotics will be here when a flare knocks me on my ass, which they still do. I have absolutely no intention of taking them in any other situation.

I am only 62 and I do NOT see that as old by any stretch of the imagination. But it's old enough that I've seen younger people who have grown up with the belief that ANY pain is unacceptable and should be immediately banished by ANY means. Perhaps it DOES take a number of trips around the block to accept that life is NOT a pain free ride for anyone.

I do want to say again that these are just MY opinions and that I have absolutely no issues with what anybody else feels they need to do to handle their PaS. It is such a personal decision.

I would like to ask the above poster, Frances, if you have done any research on the gaba your doc has put you on? Do you understand the issues this medication is primarily meant to address? If you are dealing with the JOINT pain of PaS, Gabapentin is going to do virtually nothing for you.........although it seems to be helping you sleep better, I just don't see adding this powerful medication if you are not suffering from fibro type pain. There is NO mistaking the pain of PaS from the pain of fibro.

But...........MY opinion means squat. It's YOUR pain and it's YOUR line in the sand. I just don't want you to EVER be afraid to question anyone, and that includes all your learned doctors and specialists, about the drugs they want you to take.

Peace

Greenlydia

Thanx Greenlydia ,

What I find MOST disturbing is the current repackaging of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors for pain control. Having been prescribed Paxil in my forties for peri menopause ,feeling good for about three months and then gaining 30 pounds of addtional weight ,losing my balance for brief periods when I shifted the position of my head ,Then suffering though what the Pharma company calls "Discontinuance Syndrome" as I weaned off, I am more than preturbed to read about the same being compounded into the new brands of non narcotic pain medications. I have never had to up my hydrocodone because of tolerance and aside from arthritic flares , I have never felt the necessity to pop a pill aside from aspirin on the days I have moderate pain.

Yet the DEA and Pharma seem to be campaigning via News stories and alleged studies to get these cheaper medications out of use. Just because some teen or twenty something decided to end it all by taking twenty at once or some non vigilent parents have left them to easy access to their teens ,does not mean they are dangerous or not legitimate meds when used as prescribed.Alcohol damages the liver as does over consumption of fried fatty foods. It takes a brain to consume anything in moderation or as presribed and finally I wonder why we have so many thought police on patrol dictating for those who have their own mature experienced mental capacities and in tact..Personally after considering a career running Clinical Trials ,I made the decision to forgo the Certification when reading that most Nurses quit after a very short time despite the six figure salary offered. I read their accounts as to why. The pressure for outcomes that suited the Drug Company's goals ,"...went against good Nursing Practice" and for those of us with a real vocation it is just not worth it. I am sure there are exceptions but I was not looking to hop those jobs till I found the right one.

Rest easy, Marie