If I had a million dollars…

As I read the questions, responses and postings, one of the common things mentioned is the cost of care. While recently responding to the survey about physiotherapy (PT), I realized that the cost of care can have a serious affect on our health potential. I’d like to post 2 broad questions.

  1. Would your overall PsA health be significantly better if finances were not a consideration? For example, because I have to pay for PT out of pocket, I seldom follow through with enough visits to see any benefit.
  2. What are some the financial ramifications of PsA? Earning potential, giving up other things to cover PsA costs, money stress etc.

Please be thoughtful, respectful and practical knowing that this isn’t the place to look for financial aid but rather, understanding, having a voice and to continue to learn healthy strategies in the battle.

Generally speaking I’m not sure it would make a huge difference. But that level of money, I could justify a hot tub, for example. I wouldn’t worry about the cost of pt or the missed work.

I would buy shoes without worrying about the cost and would replace sooner as needed. I might have a regular standing massage appointment.

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Aside from the health issues (stroke heart joint replacements) I have to say in General PsA has been a blessing though it took a long while to realize it. I gave up a high paying, high stress physically demanding career. As a result my wife and I have had the opportunity to foster dozens of kids, raise/adopt 14 (two are still at home) But the money would be great and there certainly have been challenges in the past. Right now due to finances, and being a retired old fart, I’m unable to take the weekly injections of a great biologic which has been replace by an every 8 week infusion that works okay for six…Out of pocket for my meds still takes six grand a year. I don’t need a million but I’d sure like to cover that. A lot of “retirement plans/travel” are on hold because of that shortfall. Still in not quite two years we are going on the road via RV for a year. Home schooling the girls on the road while we show them the country and teach them what they really need know.

On the other hand that millon would pay for a lot of snow removal. last night was the first plowing and I gotta say what used to be fun (really) has lost its luster and has me seriously considering moving into a condo in town.

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I’m incredibly lucky as I live in England with an NHS. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are treated a little differently - basically they have no prescription fees. Whether I earn enough to pay tax or if I am on state benefits, I pay nothing for my medical care other than £9 something for each item prescribed and issued by my GP. And if I was on certain state benefits I wouldn’t have to pay the prescription charges either.

For any meds prescribed by my rheumy, I pay zero, for example all biologics. Indeed for the GP scripts you can buy a payment plan per year at a hugely discounted price so that you merely pay £110 per year. So given I have repeat monthly meds of omeprazole, arcoxia, tramadol, BP meds, osteo meds, two asthma inhalers that would be 7x £9 something each month and with the payment plan it’s merely £110 per year. And come January when I reach age 60 even those script charges are then free. We never pay consultation fees to see either a GP or a specialist consultant.

However in order to get the best care, you do need to be able to navigate the NHS, not all GP’s or indeed all rheumys truly understand PsA. Not all of them read our funding entity’s (NICE) guide on how to diagnose most importantly and what to prescribe and when. There can be really long waiting lists to get on a consultant’s NHS list. For example if I were to see my extremely experienced PsA NHS rheumy now for the first time, the waiting list for that first appointment is presently running at 19 weeks. Given I’ve been on her list for close to 5 years now means I get ‘seen’ twice a year plus I have access whenever anything changes and needs her input.

And the NHS has a prescribed pathway of meds for PsA. I could never qualify to be prescribed a biologic unless two cDMARDs had failed me like mxt plus another like sulfasalazine. Then you tirate up the scale, as in you’re given the cheapest first so that would be biosimilars to humira or enbrel etc etc, before I would be prescribed Cosentyx. Unless of course my Cosentyx is to treat AS instead of PsA then I might have got on it quicker. Also if you suffer extensive psoriasis (I don’t) then different scales apply from a dermatological point of view too.

So the cost to the NHS of my Cosentyx of 300mgs is roughly around £1,800 every 28 days. It has decent buying power understandably too so gets lots heavily discounted. It costs me zero and it gets delivered to my door free too. I could if I wanted to have hydotherapy on the NHS too, but I’d be waiting for that as well.

Running alongside that I have Private Medical Insurance (PMI) from my employers. It gets taxed as in I pay tax (around £120 per year) for this benefit but otherwise it costs me nothing. I’m also not underwrittten so it will not take account of previous claims. It provides no cover for chronic diseases so things like PsA are excluded. But if I need to see a physio quickly as you always do, I can use that for 6 to 8 sessions, usually irrespective of whether it’s do with a chronic disease or not too. If I waited for the NHS to get me a physio I could wait months. If I have a new health issue (for me presently my GI issues) that needs investigating and diagnosing I’ve used this. So for example I saw my gastro consultant on Wednesday and he now wants an MRI of my small bowel and that’s already organised for next Thursday and should be covered by this policy. If indeed it does turn out that I have Crohn’s (still too unclear) then I would transfer to his NHS list as this PMI wouldn’t cover that either as it’s a chronic disease. Had I not had had this policy I would not be this far down the diagnosis path (since the summer) by a long shot. I would now still be waiting for a follow up consultation on a colonoscopy done in October.

So to answer the first question, the state of my finances has no bearing on my PsA care or indeed how well my PsA is managed and treated. That’s all to do with my ability or more usually a GP’s ability to get the patient in front of the right specialist. I told my GP which specialist PsA rheumy I wanted to be seen by. I always do a lot of that sifting work for them. And sadly I spent lots of my spare time helping other UK PsA sufferers access better care in the NHS too. Not everyone is as forthright as I can be on such issues. I do take time to teach others to be better advocates for their NHS care too. It’s essential skill to develop if you have a chronic disease in the UK.

The answer to the second question is more difficult. I don’t have to give up other things to cover PsA costs. However it can be hard for lots of PsA sufferers to hold down full time jobs as we all know. More so if it also has a physical element, even just a commuting to the workplace element. My job merely requires my brain to function and most of the time I work from home (especially since the pandemic). But PsA has held me back career wise too, although that might be complicated by my increasing age. I like to feel ‘useful’ and I’m a firm believer that working is actually good for you. And I really enjoy my job because it helps other people. I make legally binding decisions on disputes between consumers and the providers of financial services, so anything from insurance policies, bank accounts, mortgages, investments, pensions, loans etc. However if I had a million dollars I wouldn’t ‘work’ anymore but I would start helping more people access better care in the NHS, not just for PsA but for other things too. I would probably get involved in helping the NHS to improve too. Or I might do none of that at all and set up an animal sanctuary instead (I prefer animals to people most of the time) but would I cope with the physical issues of that - most probably not, sadly.

My heart breaks for all you guys on the other side of the ‘pond’ on the lack of a state funded medical service. On the fact that insurers decree even which med you shall be prescribed when they are not your rheumy nor prescribing specialist and override what your rheumy thinks is best. On the huge amount of energy and time it takes and wastes for you and indeed your prescribing doctors to negotiate with these insurers, constantly even just to stay on a med that’s presently working very well for you. I don’t understand how this helps anyone, or adequately and without negligence treats the patient effectively. And I still can’t believe the USA (at least given I’m not 100% sure how Canada works) won’t embrace state care properly.

Granted the NHS has its issues but with the right push and attitude you can get excellent medical care which is basically just plain free.

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Good addition. I would happily add in snow clearing. And as much as I love my garden, a few hours a week of affordable labor would be lovely. Now that we’re talking services, maybe a monthly heavy cleaning.

We’ve only had a dusting of snow so far, but some years can be rough. My best year was a few years ago when I showed your surgery and it excused me from snow shoveling for the entire winter. That was lovely.

There is no doubt that having a million dollars would make a difference in the way I feel.

My biggest issue right now is the amount of work travel that I am required to do. Pre Covid I was traveling 3 weeks a month.

I always thought traveling was making me feel worse but after being home for a few months and now back to traveling I know it is making my condition worse.

I traveled every day last week and I have felt like crap all this week. I traveled all but 9 days in August and it took me 2 weeks into Sept to recover.

The million dollars would allow me to either retire or find a job with less travel,

I have 9-13 years left to work and I don’t think I will be able to go back to traveling 3 weeks a month.

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That is a very comprehensive overview of your health care system in England. In our Canadian system, some details differ from province to province but we are looked after….eventually. We have excellent health care providers but there are just too few of them. Our system is liberal in paying for some things but then without good reason, we have to pay for things ourselves. My rheumy says I must see a good podiatrist to help my feet so you think in the long run it would be less expensive on the system if I am pro-active in care. But I will have to pay $90cnd for each visit. I’m supposed to get more frequent eye exams due to the meds and PsA but it costs for each visit until I am 65. Emergency care is excellent and rapid but all else can be slow enough for a cancer to spread unnecessarily due to a long wait for diagnostics etc. But money wouldn’t help unless one travelled a great distance and paid for everything themselves.

Living in a rural area, I know the amount of work that can be needed for snow clearing. Depending on the wind and amount of snow, I might have to clear the driveway 3 times/week and its half a km long! Mind you, I do it on a small tractor with a snow blower but when it is -25C and a 40 km/h North wind…yup, I would hire someone in a moment if I could afford it!

To get in front of a podiatrist in the UK I pay privately. Their list is stupid long. Eye exams I also pay for, although I think my work (given my work is computer work) might give me a voucher for it now. I can’t remember because I haven’t had an eye exam since the pandemic started. And you’ve just reminded me to get one.The eye exam isn’t expensive simply the glasses prescribed afterwards are. Another thing I forgot to mention is dentists. You can have an NHS dentist but I’ve never found one who had any capacity to take on new patients, so I pay for that too. When I came over to the UK from Ireland I didn’t know you could have an NHS dentist for years as you always paid for dental care in Ireland so I never got that sorted out from the start. Now an NHS dentist are few and far between,

I think that my autoimmune conditions would be better if I wasn’t pushing myself to pay a Mortage, and not unreasonably worried about financial insecurity. I don’t have a partner, and unless you own your own home outright in Australia, or have a reasonably paying job (or both), you are literally in poverty. Pushing to work the amount I do to avoid that (because then I wouldn’t have enough money for medical care) is likely bad for me.

If I had more money I would not only rest some more, but probably add a few things that would help a lot in symptom control, like installing a spa in my house, buying proper shoes more regularly (let alone go to a podiatrist!), get massages occasionally, get more done around the house by contractors, get a dryer installed so I don’t have to use the clothesline when shoulders are flaring, just the usual stuff.

Most health care in Australia can be obtained for free, but for anything non-urgent (all PSA would be considered non-urgent), the lists are often in the years long, your condition will almost certainly exacerbate, and you may die waiting. Most of my specialists I see privately and are subsidised (but there is often a substantial co-pay), some items like dental and glasses are not subsidised, some of the rarer items have no subsidy or not for many conditions - for example the Cardiac MRI that was the only way to definitely confirm my myocarditis was $850 with no subsidy for that condition. By the end of this year, I will have paid at least $2,500 in medical expenses in a “free” system. On the whole I think our system is wonderful, but it deals very poorly with chronic conditions that are not going to kill you in the next few years.

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